From nobody Fri Aug 7 12:12:19 1998 Path: news.ifm.liu.se!news.lth.se!news.solace.mh.se!news.ecn.ou.edu!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!199.125.85.9!news.mv.net!not-for-mail From: dlm (at) opost.com (Dan Murphy) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Minnow Date: 06 Aug 1998 17:42:37 +0000 Organization: opost.com Lines: 60 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: opost.com X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.1 Xref: news.ifm.liu.se alt.sys.pdp10:4241 pechter@news.monmouth.com (Bill Pechter) writes: > OK... for a poor old DEC History buff worked primarily on PDP11's and Vaxen... > what's the Minnow project? Ah, how quickly it's forgotten... Minnow was a project to build a small PDP-10 - desktop or deskside. With the fading light of history, people have come to think of Jupiter as the follow-on to the KL10. It wasn't, at least not the first attempt at a follow-on. The first attempt was called Dolphin, and it was a project that was supposed to create BOTH a new 36-bit system AND a new VAX system more powerful than the 11/780. In that same era (78-79), a very backroom project began in Marlboro to build a much smaller 36-bit machine -- a desktop PDP-10. Somehow fish names were in vogue then, so it became known as Minnow. It was started by Ron Bingham. I joined the project a while after it started to work on porting TOPS-20 to it. Before being cancelled along with Dolphin, this project built a prototype which was running well enough to demonstrate some exec mode programs. It consisted of three large PC boards: a processor board including 8 UARTS for comm lines, a memory board, and a disk controller board. These could sit on a desk top but were envisioned as residing in a deskside type cabinet with one fixed and one removable disk. Ken Olsen came by one day to see the prototype and pronounced it "neat". That didn't save it, though. Had this machine not been cancelled, I believe it would have been a significant entry in what later became the workstation market. It was not a complete workstation, since we had not anticipated the value in having an integrated display system, but it would have been a "personal" machine and a product with cost/performance several years ahead of the market. It succumbed in part to the corporate determination to adhere to the VAX one-architecture strategy. While the Minnow product seemed attractive, it was decided that it would send the "wrong message" to introduce a non-VAX machine in that price range. Interestingly, the Minnow had limited support even in the 10/20 groups in Marlboro. Many people saw 36-bit machines as living only in glass-wall computer rooms and surrounded with big disks and tape drives, and couldn't figure out how a small one in an office could possibly be useful. This seemed to be part of a larger conservatism that prevented or discouraged significant attempts to sustain and expand the 36-bit business. (Some of the foregoing extracted from my article "Origins and Development of TOPS-20" - http://www.opost.com/dlm/prof/hbook.html.) dlm